Trump's final argument

[High on Death]

[dckx]

Very beautiful, but pure demagogy in my opinion.

First, because his discourse is an extreme simplification of what a global world is (e.g. global economy and global politic affairs). In others words, he doesn't really know what the fuck he is talking about. And second, and more importantly, because this motherfucker doesn't believe a single word he is saying. Besides being an supremely ignorant, extremely racist, pathologically liar, narcissistic motherfucker, Trump is a clown who doesn't have the benefit of the US nor US citizens in his mind. He does in his speeches, but not beyond that. If he were to be elected, I truly doubt he would do a real thing to actually improve the things he claims to be broken. I'm not saying Clinton is better (although she is), but this guy clearly isn't the solution to shit. I truly understand the anti establishment rhetoric, and I agree with it to a large extent, but not with this guy. I think he will not win this election, not because it is rigged by the Anunnaki but simply because people know better. But if he does, you will see in time that either: a) he fucks things up; or at the very least b) he does not fulfill his campaign promises.

However, regardless of that, the sad and disturbing about this campaign is the vast number of people that bought this guy's discourse. Because even if in some respects that is a good thing (e.g. grassroots movement) it also is a very fucked up thing as it Trump's campaign have become a place for the legitimization of racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and superb nationalism. All those things were always latent in the American society, but this fucker have helped make them more alive.

I don't know if you are aware and/or even care, but most of the whole world is just astonished (and few others, like Putin, fascinated) by the possibility you would elect Trump as your next president. We are all waiting to see whether you will have a truly idiot running your country or not for the next years. Are you gonna break the record you already set with Bush? We shall see.

[RAPT(+)R]

I don't know what world you're paying attention to DCKX but the real world recognizes Hillary is a fuckstory and knows trump is the only one to vote for who can steer the ship in a better direction. Notice I didn't say fix everything and make the country perfect I said steer the ship in the right direction. It's going to take more than 8 years to fix this country in it's fucked up and uneducated state. And I love the prejudice that the left demonstrates time after time and then when Trump says something about securing our borders then it's all of a sudden xenophobia. GET REAL. He's employed, sheltered and help thousands of people of all races, genders and colors. He hurt someones feeling by saying what most people are thinking... big fucking deal. Hillary is gonna fucking drive this country into the asphalt.

[High on Death]

No offense, but I don't really give a shit what "the world" thinks, although I think Trump would be more popular globally than the media will tell you.

Trump is the only choice I have. I absolutely refuse to vote for the globalist agenda, which puts both major parties's candidates out (or should I say, the ONE party).

It so happens that I kind of like Trump, but if someone managed to convince me that he was a bad guy and every promise he's made is a lie, then I'd STILL have to vote for him. National soveriegnty is on the line, for America and every other nation on earth. If Clinton wins the election, then the republic will literally END, and we'll end up some weak nation-state in a global superstate run by unelected, unaccountable business interests.

I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE TRUMP!

EDIT - forgot one thing:

. Because even if in some respects that is a good thing (e.g. grassroots movement) it also is a very fucked up thing as it Trump's campaign have become a place for the legitimization of racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and superb nationalism. All those things were always latent in the American society, but this fucker have helped make them more alive.

I always chuckle when I read shit like this. Anyone who doesn't support open-borders globalism is motivated by racism, xenophobia, etc. In short, we're all bad people. A basket of deplorables.

Those statements are an unambiguous insult to me, personally, and I take them as such. If I were indeed so deplorable a person, I'd probably return the insults in kind. But I'm not an intolerant bully, so I'll leave that to the left...

[dckx]

Those statements are an unambiguous insult to me, personally, and I take them as such. If I were indeed so deplorable a person, I'd probably return the insults in kind. But I'm not an intolerant bully, so I'll leave that to the left...

First, let me say this: If I wanted to insult you or say something about you, I would very much address you directly. I would say something like "I think you are being a racist, HOD". However, that is not what I said. What I said was: "Trump's campaign has become a place for the legitimization of racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and superb nationalism", not "Trump supporters are (or HOD is) racist, misogynist, xenophobic, and nationalists". I am not pointing to anyone in particular but rather to the whole movement, and I am not saying that the movement itself is centered on racism, misogyny, etc., but rather that it is a movement where those ideologies can be legitimized because its leader legitimizes them, which is different.
In any case, just by looking at footage from Trump's rallies and what Trump adherents post online, it is evident that in fact many of his supporters are racist, misogynist, xenophobic, and nationalists. To me, you don't seem to be any of that... maybe a little nationalist? The same goes for most MisFits, as far as I have seen. In any case, since you bring the subject of aggressive or insulting comments, perhaps your "I don't really give a shit what 'the world' thinks" is way more explicit in stating that you don't give a single fuck about an opinion I just gave. But I accept your preemptive "no-offense" disclaimer, so no offense taken . And as for you feeling insulted, on top of my previous clarification I also apologize, since it wasn't my intention and because I always try to be respectful to those who I discuss with.

EDIT: After reading once more my original response, I think it had more cursing than needed, but again, they were directed towards Trump. Anyway, apologies again if I offended you HOD, or Raptor, or anyone else. I truly mean it.

I always chuckle when I read shit like this. Anyone who doesn't support open-borders globalism is motivated by racism, xenophobia, etc. In short, we're all bad people. A basket of deplorables.

About this example in particular, one thing is to be against open-border globalism and one is targeting specific ethnic or religious groups —Trump basically does the latter. Another subject is the fact that the open-border conspiracy you mention is on the one hand completely exaggerated (e.g. "If Clinton wins the election, then the republic will literally END"), and on the other a phenomenon unprecedented in human history which is so complex that cannot be simply dealt with by saying "we close our borders, we deport everyone, we do everything in-house". And by the way, how the fuck does he wants to do so —let alone why he would really want to do so when he immensely benefits from it. In any case, this mixing of legitimate political ideas (e.g. being against open borders) and fucked-up ideas (e.g. let's ban all Muslims and undocumented aliens) can be seen all across Trump's discourse.

I don't know what world you're paying attention to DCKX but the real world recognizes Hillary is a fuckstory and knows trump is the only one to vote for who can steer the ship in a better direction.

I guess we really pay attention to different worlds. Most media outlets that I consider serious and relatively neutral, see this election as a bizarre political chaos where Trump has tapped into people's fears to nourish a campaign that would otherwise be laughed at. Again, it starts from legitimate feelings of abandonment and distrust from and towards the political ruling class, but it somehow evolves into a mix of xenophobia and racism, veiled belligerence, and delusional paranoia.

And I love the prejudice that the left demonstrates time after time and then when Trump says something about securing our borders then it's all of a sudden xenophobia. GET REAL. He's employed, sheltered and help thousands of people of all races, genders and colors. He hurt someones feeling by saying what most people are thinking... big fucking deal. Hillary is gonna fucking drive this country into the asphalt.

Even if what you said about Trump was actually true (in the sense that it could be attributed to him), let me repeat myself again and say that talking about border security is one thing, but another thing is referring to a whole country as a land of rapists, or challenging a judge's criteria based on his nationality, or equalizing a religion with terrorism, etc. Now, I also think you are wrong when you say that is what most people are thinking. What I think, for example, is that Islam is a religion a part of which has become radicalized and is in fact a seed for terror cells (to a great extent, due to the disastrous history of US-lead political destabilization in the Middle East). And while I do think that the US should not accept Syrian refugees to the extent some European countries did, I do believe that both from a humanitarian and geopolitical point of view it is not a good idea to completely deny entrance to EVERY Syrian refugee. Trump, on the other hand, has repeatedly said that Syrian refugees should not be allowed in the US, but also that all Muslims should be under permanent scrutiny, something he has done in such a hateful way that he has incited violence towards them all across the US. Please tell me you are able to see the difference between two points of view that greatly overlap at a conceptual level, but greatly differ on their delivery and practical implications.

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To finish, I do not pretend to have presented any reasonable, solid argument against Trump. This topic is to be discussed at length and I assume you don't have the time —I unfortunately don't. My whole intention on commenting here was twofold. First, to express how disturbing it is to me that a large number of US citizens buy Trump's propaganda without really noticing how he fails to address the complexity of the world, whether it is on economy and international trade, or on immigration and national sovereignty, or on religion and terrorism, or on other issues (abortion, women's right, police brutality, etc.). Because, in my opinion, anyone who really takes the time to learn about the issues that are at stake on this election listening to what all sides have to say, would end up seeing that Trump is verbose clown whose discourse is supported on a scaffold of bullshit, who has failed to provide ANY real solution to anything. And second, to highlight how bizarre it is that Trump, regardless of his political ideas, has managed to get so close to becoming the president of the most powerful country on Earth. Trump, out of all the people that is not only more prepared, but just better —more respectful, more serious, more honest, less selfish, etc.

[High on Death]

Not trying to start a beef or anything... When you say Trump's supporters are motivated by racism or whatever then yes that's insulting. It gets tiring after a while.

To me, it seems that they throw words like racism and xenophobia as a way to avoid talking about the issues. Easier to call Trump Hitler than to defend the government-orchestrated rape of the middle class and the confiscation of their wealth. How did the 1% fare under Obama? Pretty damned well. Near-zero interest rates + quantitative easing = government-guaranteed revenue streams to the few who can take advantage, thanks to the taxpayers. Because Obama's all about helping out the little guy...

[dckx]

Not trying to start a beef or anything... When you say Trump's supporters are motivated by racism or whatever then yes that's insulting. It gets tiring after a while.

I understand why you feel that way, which is why I apologized. In the future, I'II will be more careful and precise with my language and will avoid making generalizations about Trump supporters' motivations.

Now, to close this chapter, I just want to know if you think that Trump himself is in any way racist or xenophobic. Because just as I may have overly emphasized those aspects of his discourse and behavior, it may be possible that some of his supporters tend to overlook or minimize them.
It seems to me that beyond his ideas, the way in which he talks about immigration, terrorism, and other stuff is highly tinted by generalizations about ethnic groups and people originary from specific countries. Because of that, I believe his campaign has served to certain people as a place to justify racist and xenophobic ideals. They see a guy running for President that says and does things that are generally considered racist or xenophobic, finding a place to say and do similar things. What do you think? Is Trump in any way like that? Has he in any way exacerbated or incited those behaviors? Or is he just a pragmatic politician? Because to me that's the final point here: if any of the responses to those questions is "yes", then electing him as President is problematic.

[RAPT(+)R]

I get what you're saying DC but let me use my grandpa and boss as an example and yes i know they're not running for president i get that. Both of these men have/had a strong moral code and truly respected people who respect them no matter their color, religion or creed. However with that being said they have an extremely gruff and unpolished way of wording things much like Trump. They even go so far as to use racial slurs for every color known to man including white people. However that in no way was meant to generalize all people of that color it was merely meant to represent the scum of said color. I've even had conversations with my african american friends and asked if nigger bothered them and they'd say no because there's a difference between a black man and a nigger just like there's a difference in a white man and a cracker or white trash. Now does that mean I go around calling black people niggers? No. All I'm trying to say is not every unpolished comment or even comments that sound xenophobic are and if you're going to be fair you have to give Trump the same benefit of the doubt the media is giving Hillary. She's got more connection with the KKK than Trump has questionable comments. Not to mention the democrat party is and always was against civil rights at it's core. Sure they spout good nonsense but when it comes time to vote they stick with their lobbyists and bigotry. So doing my best to look at things objectively(which isn't going to be completely objective cause yes i am voting for trump) you have to at least give him the same amount of slack that Hillary is getting from the media and as such his comments seem minute in the wake of her actual deeds instead of his words.

[DarbyCrash]

well I think both candidates suck, all I know is HoD is going to lose the bet and pay $20!! Oh and GermZ kicked some butt too this week!! woo hoo!!

[High on Death]

I appreciate you apologizing, dcdx, not that I needed one. I apologize as well, if I appeared belligerent or disrespectful. No intentions of being so.

I know you weren't trying to say that. I'm good. But like I said, I think arguments like that are shortcuts to actual discussion, so they kind of get under my skin a bit. You're smarter than some talking points from CNN. And so am I. That's it in a nutshell, I reckon.